Why the Long Night prequel is a Bad Idea for Game of Thrones (6/6)

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  • CaroofChaeronea36
    CaroofChaeronea36  5 months back

    If someone refuses to tell you what's in something, like HBO's doing with the Long Night, that usually means there's something they don't want you to know about. Even if I didn't see all these videos or even know about GoT, I would be suspicious of this show from the vague hype around it.

    • arthur tanner
      arthur tanner  5 months back

      You could say that about the watchmen HBO series

  • Will Mosse
    Will Mosse  3 weeks back

    Theoretically, I would actually be quite interested in seeing Bronze Age Westeros, I think just because I am interested in different epochs of history. I love medieval stuff, but I am also a big fan of bronze and Iron Age stuff. I think it is perfectly possible to create cool and interesting stories in Druidic type settings. I also think it is not quite right to say there would be nothing in Westeros. There would be plenty of hill forts and fortified towns and the like. They would just not be the locations we know from the story so far, and would be smaller and less sophisticated. But the Dark Age story and settings in Last Kindom are cool, even though they don’t have stone castles and whatnot, and some of the stuff in the UK Channel 4 series Druids from a couple of years ago was cool, though the show was not that good. So I don’t think we should say that anything set in Westeros in the Age of Heroes/the Long Night would automatically be bad because there is nothing in Westeros.

    However, do I think HBO will do it justice? No. If it is not by Martin, or at least by excellent people who respect the lore and canon working under Martin’s wing, then it can only be fanfic that will ultimately fuck up the lore of the World of Ice and Fire. And given the complete lack of respect that HBO has shown to the lore and canon - even in show canon - in the last few years, it will probably be significantly worse than that.

    • D3V!L HUNT3R
      D3V!L HUNT3R  3 weeks back

      Here is a spoiler the Long Night Prequel: the main villain is a tyrannt Mad Queen with a dragon who wants to burn everyone in Westeros but gets stabbed by her lover/nephew

      • TheWickedVampire
        TheWickedVampire  2 months back

        I know this comment is very late. Watching your video has given me an idea. What if they had done a small mini-series as they did at Season One to Four with the family histories? They could have made an animation in the same style about the White Walkers and the Long Night and aired it in the gap between Season 7 and 8 to 'fill in' the story gap and give fans something to enjoy while they waited. I agree with you, a dance of the dragons or Aegon's conquest would have made much for sense as a first prequel to keep people interested in the material.

        • The Dragon Demands
          The Dragon Demands   2 months back

          TheWickedVampire they’re not going to do the best case scenario Long Night prequel you want.

      • Patrick
        Patrick  3 months back

        Everything will be very dark to save money

        • Joris de paepe
          Joris de paepe  3 months back

          The difference in Westeros between the 2 stories is like watching The Italian Job and the Series Rome.

          • Joris de paepe
            Joris de paepe  3 months back

            I started reading the books after Stannis. I was surprised that Dorne was this big in the books. And i wondered why abandon 40 percent of the last book when you already have not enough base material for an adaptation S06 and so on

            • Bazzy
              Bazzy  3 months back

              I find it funny how a series that wanted to convince me its a prequel that would be set only in westeros did the opposite finally, now. You contradict yourself a hell of a lot.
              You never even entertained the tought of them setting this in a few continents simultaniasly, in fact i'm pretty sure the casting sheet screenshot you had in here is making it very clear that the entire bottom row are supposed to be starks, the cauacasian girl on the above row to the very left even looks very similar to sansa, when you think about it.
              The only very good points i saw you making are the location and the dragon ones. But your insitance on them setting all of this in westeros not only doesn't even make sense in terms of what you said in all 6 parts of this series, it flat out contradicts the info you showed us, and that is damn irionc.

              Lastly: "how their handled non white chracters" you are sounding like a fucking racist and i find it hilarous, casue you really came off as an sjw near the end of this video. You speak exactly like you think those people need special treatment, not talent. Haha. Fuck you. You are writing a fucking wiki, i would appriciate if you would not double down like an activist on the side.

              • Orthochronicity
                Orthochronicity  3 months back

                A really bad thought about casting so many black actors: they'll play Ibbenese characters, and it'll be super racist. Ib is far north and would be affected by the Long Night. It fits the "far east" blurb. They are a new and exotic group to bring in, maybe with a semi savage tone to mimic the culture shock of the Dothraki in Season 1. They're super hairy, so it doesn't really matter what skin color is, but it'll be an extra touch to differentiate them... and they wont at all see how problematic this is.

                • aaron weers
                  aaron weers  3 months back

                  DIRE WOLVES!?

                  The Long Night has been canceled due to budgetary reasons.

                • Lady Piggy
                  Lady Piggy  3 months back

                  Ultimately, it comes down to this prequel being all the bits casual viewers disliked about Game of Thrones mashed together and none of the things they actually liked (for example, the tits and/or the dragons).

                  • Alex Jones
                    Alex Jones  4 months back

                    If they really want a Long Night prequel the ultimate question will be? What's the point? The NK dies due to bad being a generic dumb villian 8k years later. Who cares now what happened 8k years ago. How did they defeat the NK without Arya, though?

                    • TechnoBabel
                      TechnoBabel  4 months back

                      Plot twist: the reason Naomi Watts was described as a 'charismatic socialite' is because HBO is going to pull a reverse 'Legend of Korra' and have pre-Long Night Westeros be 1920s America with magic. Then the White Walkers come and knock everyone back into the Dark Ages, and they'll justify all of it by saying that because it was so long ago no one remembers how advanced the First Men used to be.

                      • Jane P.
                        Jane P.  5 months back

                        This Long Night prequel smells to me like Star Wars Episode VII, a rehash of Episode IV. Not a very good idea after all.

                        • Jane P.
                          Jane P.  4 months back

                          Before watching The Last Jedi I was satisfied with Episode VII, however, once TLJ came to be I was so angy with what we got before. I would have loved for the new trilogy to tell a different story. Kylo promised to be an interesting antagonist and he could be the only good thing of this new trilogy after all but I think it is because of the actor's talent.

                        • The Dragon Demands
                          The Dragon Demands   4 months back

                          I actually think Episode VII was a good "homage" done the right way...it's a fine line. Kylo Ren was a pretty interesting twist on things (he's actually not good at it yet and he's a villain filled with self doubt).

                      • Franz Liszt
                        Franz Liszt  5 months back

                        Naomi Watts better not play Lann the Clever.

                        • Franz Liszt
                          Franz Liszt  5 months back

                          @The Dragon Demands To be honest that sounds a lot better than the J. K. Rowling-esque idea of "Lann was really a woman because reasons"

                        • The Dragon Demands
                          The Dragon Demands   5 months back

                          I get the sinking fear that John Simm will be Lann the Clever, and Naomi Watts will be like, the Casterly daughter that he knocks up.

                      • Alexander Lauer
                        Alexander Lauer  5 months back

                        I guess the prequel will be about Jon Snow, who with Bran's help travels back in time to the Long Night in order to glare at the Night King some more.

                        • No1important88
                          No1important88  5 months back

                          Did you make all these videos at once or did you make them one at a time as you release them?

                        • Tribesman
                          Tribesman  5 months back

                          How would rate the got seasons ( best to worst)?

                          • Eric Northmen
                            Eric Northmen  5 months back

                            Season 3 and 4 tied for 1st place for me....

                            Second tier place belongs - season 1,2,6

                            Worst, 7 then 5 being awful.

                            So in brief- s4,s3,s1,s2,s6,s7,s5

                          • The Dragon Demands
                            The Dragon Demands   5 months back

                            One and three were pretty good. You could tell in season two they were chafing at GRRm's restrictions, but back then had a sense of shame - given that they worried about being renewed one season to the next - so they toned that down by Season 3. After the Red Wedding, Benioff decided he was above criticism.

                        • Alan Pennie
                          Alan Pennie  5 months back

                          HBO won't benefit from empty hype when the prequel actually airs. Better for them if it didn't but they do have to make some actual shows.

                          • Lucas C.A. Rocha
                            Lucas C.A. Rocha  5 months back

                            Do you plan to talk about Weiss and Benioff's upcoming Star Wars films?

                            • The Dragon Demands
                              The Dragon Demands   5 months back

                              my own personal reaction, yeah I guess - but there's a whole industry of Star Wars analysis channels bigger than me

                          • max strand
                            max strand  5 months back

                            I remember the point mid season 4 when I while watching GOT was suddenly feeling aware that I was watching a TV show and not the amazing pseudo historical political drama with amazing writing and athmosphere..it made me read all the books after season 1..but suddenly that quality was declining and it was all downhill from there if you ask me..

                            • No1important88
                              No1important88  5 months back

                              I know that you didn’t talk about this in this video but I do remember you saying that Yi-ti and Yeen are analogous to our east Asia and therefore Would make their stock racially oriental. But I’ve heard a compelling theory by history of Westeros and Lucifer means light bringer that the Empire of the Dawn was the ancestors of the Daynes, Valyrians, and Hightowers, and I thought this would make sense because I remember George saying that the Daynes weren’t descendants of Valyria, and I’m not aware of any other candidates that would be a common ancestor. I don’t remember all the evidence for this, but I do recall some that suggested that they had silver and gold hair and purple and blue eyes like the Daynes and Hightowers, and Valyrians, and which would exclude them from being racially mongoloid, and were also dragon riders. What do you think about this?

                              • No1important88
                                No1important88  5 months back

                                Also, I don’t know if I agree mongoloid is racist? It’s equivalent is caucasoid or Caucasian, and we use that in America. Maybe it’s pejorative else where though, I don’t know. It seems to be the most scientific term. That was the term we were taught when learning about the major racial divisions in my science course in college, and I remember there being at least 2 oriental kids, and I don’t think the professor would have used the term had it been inappropriate especially with them there. And also you know for some race is a very touchy and sensitive issue so I don’t think it’s really appropriate to categorize someone or associate someone with something racist unless you really know what you’re talking about, and I suspect that my anthropology and zoology professors knew what they were talking about, and even if I wasn’t taught by them, I’ve read the term in history and science and psychology texts and it wasn’t being used in an insulting manner, simply as a designation based on fact, so I really don’t see how that can be Misconstrued as something racist or inappropriate or insulting. I think any reasonable person would have to agree with that, and you’ve always struck me as a very reasonable person ser. And also now that I think about it there are people from a place called Mongolia and they’re known as Mongolians and I’d bet dollars to donuts that it has the same etymology, and so is it also racist to call Mongolians Mongolians? If anything I think the term is the most appropriate scientific one, and the colors are the less appropriate, black white and yellow etc. As those are based on one loan aspect of race; one’s appearance, And you’ve used the terms black and white, and I made no such suggestion that you should use the terms Negroid and Caucasoid instead. I really don’t see why it would matter whether one chooses to use black or white or red or brown or yellow, or Mongoloid or Occidental or Oriental or European or Asian or African or Australoid or eastern or western, Austronesian or Dravidian or south Asian and East Asian, Semitic, near eastern, Aryans, non Aryan, coloureds, Hamites or Japhetites etcetera, as they all essentially mean the same thing, are interchangeable, are used to distinguish, that’s what is relevant, and so is arbitrary.

                              • No1important88
                                No1important88  5 months back

                                The Dragon Demands Probably not the common ancestors? Or probably not you can think of an alternative? Also sorry for mistaking Yeen, I was thinking of the island that you said was equivalent to Japan in the same way that Yi-Ti may be equivalent to China

                              • The Dragon Demands
                                The Dragon Demands   5 months back

                                @No1important88 probably not

                              • No1important88
                                No1important88  5 months back

                                The Dragon Demands Ök, how about them possibly being the common ancestors of Daynes, Valyrians, possibly Hightowers? The Daynes do afterall have Valyrian‘a features, yet George did say they weren’t descended of them, any idea who that may be even as a possibility if not ancient Yi-Ti?

                              • The Dragon Demands
                                The Dragon Demands   5 months back

                                Ser..."Mongoloid" is an outdated and racist term. No, I said "Yi Ti" is analogous to East Asia, not "Yeen" which is in Sothoryos (their Africa): Pay Attention. Meanwhile....yeah, it was so many thousands of years ago that the racial makeup of the Great Empire of the Dawn is less certain. But it was geographically where their Fantasy China is now.

                            • Alex shepard
                              Alex shepard  5 months back

                              > I'm gonna be even handed
                              > This will fail

                              • The Dragon Demands
                                The Dragon Demands   5 months back

                                Yeah, but you have to avoid a Golden Mean Fallacy. At a certain point you have to say, "objectively, this idea has a lot of negative points, and the odds are stacked against it being good". Too often, we're bludgeoned with "be even handed!" to silence our legitimate criticisms. "TV-Dorne was awful!" -"oh, be even-handed"...HOW?!

                            • Nick Mua
                              Nick Mua  5 months back

                              Hype will draw you in time and again then leave you wanting I fear there isn't anything behind this curtain. This could spell the end for the GOT tv franchise I don't know how I feel about that honnestly

                              • Alan Pennie
                                Alan Pennie  5 months back

                                Nick Mua
                                I think viewers will find the Long Night prequel lacking in interest and drift away. Ratings will fall and that will be it for Planetos on TV. A shame when other options would have been so much more promising.

                              • The Dragon Demands
                                The Dragon Demands   5 months back

                                You don't even know the dark secret from part 1 of this video series, which I'm unwilling to reveal.

                            • Charles Waldon
                              Charles Waldon  5 months back

                              If they were smart they would set the long night in essos at the 5 forts or somewhere else we know even less about , so they cant annihilate the westorosi story line anymore.

                              • Alan Pennie
                                Alan Pennie  5 months back

                                @The Dragon Demands
                                But they ought to know what will work on TV better than us lay people. It's baffling that they don't.

                              • The Dragon Demands
                                The Dragon Demands   5 months back

                                But you shouldn't assume they're smart. Everyone assumes they'll do it smart. They haven't proven they are.

                            • Musa Kamara
                              Musa Kamara  5 months back

                              Since there are so many children of the forest it would be amazing if we had a few of them as main characters. But... That'd be too cool or there probably not gonna do it.

                              • Charles Waldon
                                Charles Waldon  5 months back

                                Nobody enjoys the hype, these other creators enjoy the subscriber's. The show brings much more meaningful attention to your channel. God forbid that you criticize the show, most crowds of angry moron show fans are so invested in loving the show whilst completely ignorant to the books will attempt to silence you. Creators ban you for sticking the hive its honestly pathetic. For me the hype and anticipation helped drop the hammer on the HBO series for me. The combination of being so excited or " hyped " plus the obvious quality dive once D n D had no more novel to pull the incredible dialogue from I just couldn't bare it anymore. Hype is bad.. I am going to have to take the same approach to this new spin off.. I obviously hope for a great version of the " long night " however I am not going to hold my breath or bet the farm on it.. I have tried to suggest the same to others.

                                • Musa Kamara
                                  Musa Kamara  5 months back

                                  Why not balance this negativity with a 'how you'd write a long night prequel series'.

                                  • The Dragon Demands
                                    The Dragon Demands   5 months back

                                    …..that's what the first 10 minutes of this video are about?

                                • Charles Waldon
                                  Charles Waldon  5 months back

                                  Why is it that everyone totes JJ Abrams as a height of direction or writing. I absolutely hate his stories and narrative style. Fuck lost, his Star wars was a awful regurgitation of a beloved film. What is it that makes everyone hold him in such high regard?

                                  • Wisdom Manari'
                                    Wisdom Manari'  5 months back

                                    Yayy more Dragon content

                                    • Andy Sorrell
                                      Andy Sorrell  5 months back

                                      Im actually ok if the show is just a game of thrones "themed" show. As long as it is entertaining, maybe it not having a book to follow and get wrong, then maybe it could just be a good tv show set in the universe we love? It could be ok.

                                      Game of thrones has been ruined for me since they introduced dorne. I'm only watching because i feel like I've got too much in the pot to cash in my chips now. I only look forward to the books.

                                      This show could just be some fun based on lore I love

                                      • Olivia Williams
                                        Olivia Williams  5 months back

                                        Could we get the giant ice spiders?!?!?!

                                        • Olivia Williams
                                          Olivia Williams  5 months back

                                          @The Dragon Demands Yeah i get that. i don't think they did, that's why i'm not hyped at all, for the prequel or for season 8

                                        • The Dragon Demands
                                          The Dragon Demands   5 months back

                                          Have they mentioned giant ice spiders? We should only get hyped about what they definitively tell us about. Instead they're secretive. That's kind of my point.

                                      • M dB
                                        M dB  5 months back

                                        I really, really do not understand why HBO did not 'play safe' by choosing the _Dance of the Dragons_ prequel idea - first, at least, and then another (less-developed, more 'risky') one after that - since it just has so much potential. I'm sure that it could match _Game of Thrones_ in popularity since DotD is just so much like it. No White Walkers of course, but a lot of colorful characters, backstabbing, full-scale battles, and a lot of dragons (which would be one of its primal selling-points for casual GOT viewers). Most locations are well-known and it can (for the most part) be based on (excellent) GRRM material that is already available.
                                        While airing this show, another prequel could then be prepared, with enough time being taken to develop good, coherent, but at the same time fresh/original stories and characters - that could be the East (Valyria, other continents) idea or even the Long Night idea if they really wanted to (but then also preferably including the Long Night on Essos) - by a creative individual or better a group of creative individuals (team of writers) that is really up to this challenge.
                                        At least that's what I would do, if I would have a say.
                                        Anyway, thanks DD for this docu, your main point is clear: don't get your hopes up regarding the Long Night prequel, and I definitely will not do so (anymore), (partially) thanks to you.

                                        • Alan Pennie
                                          Alan Pennie  3 months back

                                          @Lord Solar Matthius
                                          It's certainly a point in favour of Young Aragorn that we could get more and different wizards. Also Legolas if they want to go with what was set up at the end of The Hobbit trilogy. From what I hear though Young Isildur is what we're more likely to get.

                                        • Lord Solar Matthius
                                          Lord Solar Matthius  3 months back

                                          @Alan Pennie the wizards tho are basically limited to late 3rd age (as the were only ever 5 of them) so any middle earth story we get shouldn't have them (except Aragorn's pre-lotr story)

                                        • Alan Pennie
                                          Alan Pennie  5 months back

                                          @M dB
                                          I'm even more baffled by Amazon's decision to give us a Second Age prequel to LOTR which seems to have similar problems to Long Night (absence of familiar elements like hobbits and wizards) plus some extra ones.

                                        • M dB
                                          M dB  5 months back

                                          ​@Nate Rodriguez Yeah, good point. But what about giants, direwolves and other large animals they (most likely) will want to use? And the White Walkers / whights? Also (partially) CGI, if I'm not mistaken - not as expensive as the dragons probably, but still.

                                        • Nate Rodriguez
                                          Nate Rodriguez  5 months back

                                          Absolutely correct on all of your points in my opinion. However , Dragons = CGI = money

                                      • Éloïse Coudriet
                                        Éloïse Coudriet  5 months back

                                        I somewhat appreciate the effort to even attempt to stay positive about this upcoming garbage fire, but let's be real: HBO (or hopefully only DnD) haven't given a damn about the established asoiaf lore nor worldbuilding for the latest 2-3 seasons. Honestly I wouldn't even be that shocked to see The Wall being already built or some dumb zombie dragons (that'd be actually quite funny in a tragicomic way). The setting is horrendously bad and doomed to fail. Learning more about The Children of the Forest
                                        or the nature of magic or even Asshai would be kinda cool, but instead what we'll most certainly have is more nonsensical ice zombie fighting, the true origin of The Lich King™ (well they already ruined it, but mehhh) and Azor Ahai
                                        (who'll almost definitely be Bran the Builder and a Jon Snow clone) saving the whole Planetos with his epic epicness in a truly epic glaring showdown between him and The Lick King™. The ultimate cherry on top
                                        will be some awful attempts to prophesize the birth of Jon or some other major events in the main series.
                                        Well, fortunately the Empire of Ash seems really promising. Thanks for diving so deep with these vids, I'm so hyped about the "Mind of David Benioff" and I really hope you haven't completely dropped that project. ^^

                                        • Éloïse Coudriet
                                          Éloïse Coudriet  5 months back

                                          ​@The Dragon Demands Even that title alone might be the greatest thing ever :D
                                          The long wait has definitely been proven worthwhile !

                                        • The Dragon Demands
                                          The Dragon Demands   5 months back

                                          @Éloïse Coudriet it's a multi-part series. The first one is "Benioff Thinks Brown Women Are Hot". Based on reading through his three previous books. The crazy stuff in there....and the fact that NO ONE bothered to read them before, bothered to "vet" his past history. There were all sorts of red flags.

                                        • Éloïse Coudriet
                                          Éloïse Coudriet  5 months back

                                          @Pamela Mertz Yay, I'm not the only one ! :D

                                        • Pamela Mertz
                                          Pamela Mertz  5 months back

                                          Yessss I'm still super excited to see the mind of Benioff doc vid too!!! I kinda forgot that he was doing it til I saw this comment, but I now my anticipation has been renewed!!

                                      • B_A_Z_E_D V.2.0
                                        B_A_Z_E_D V.2.0  5 months back

                                        This prequel is the Diablo immortal of the prequels. It's an offseason April fools jokes, that feels more of a skeleton for a story rather than a concrete plot

                                      • David Smith
                                        David Smith  5 months back

                                        Could they be using black actors as children of the forest? I don't understand why they would do that perhaps something to do with the make up?

                                        • Rhaenyra Reigns
                                          Rhaenyra Reigns  5 months back

                                          They used Asian actresses earlier for Children of the Forest.

                                      • nehorlavazapalka
                                        nehorlavazapalka  5 months back

                                        It will be another Westworld (I hate Nolans). Expensive disaster. We want to see the Empire of Ash!

                                        • Blitzing Wingz
                                          Blitzing Wingz  5 months back

                                          Actually first for once! Also, I really like your idea of the Stark kings subduing the North. I think it would be cool if the first Long Night absolutely devastated the Starks, then they have to fight for their lives the whole time. Also, more Direwolves is a definite plus for me. Let me know what you think!

                                          • Pamela Mertz
                                            Pamela Mertz  5 months back

                                            "Sucked into the hype" is a perfect way to describe the still-so-loyal tv fans who act like everything's awesome when it's just not, lol... always love these vids lol, so salty, I feel that lol

                                            • The Dragon Demands
                                              The Dragon Demands   5 months back

                                              @Rhaenyra Reigns We need your help on my video for "How to translate 'Free Holders' into Non-English languages. We're struggling with 3 different proposed Polish versions.

                                            • Rhaenyra Reigns
                                              Rhaenyra Reigns  5 months back

                                              Watch out for dehydration! O.O'